***Tables after Week 2***

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

http://www.moonymaster.btinternet.co.uk/tableweek2.jpg

As usual, any errors just slap them here.

[[KIA]EddZ]

n1

[SuperFLY]

good work herman moonster!

no1s bin able to tell TAG yet afaik...
but the vote on whether FP and TAG were going to rematch has ended. the vote went in favour of a default.

im sorry if any tag are reading this here first. i wont go into the details on this public forum... but due to many reasons and the vote FP have gone for a default win, sorry guys, im just the messenger :(

i dont have icq or irc at work.. but pls contact mort if you've got any questions

so slap FP and TAG down to 4 PLD and add 3 points to FP pls moon :) thx darlin' ;)

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

Originally posted by SuperFLY
so slap FP and TAG down to 4 PLD and add 3 points to FP pls moon :) thx darlin' ;)

lol........ i was considering doing it until u called me darling :hmph:

[SuperFLY]

sorry lover :naughty:

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

STOP POSTING AND GET BACK TO WORK! :E

and lol @ herman moonster - missed that :)

[Golem]

thx :)

[MaVeRiCk]

arg teh tbuk monkees its teh frags arg arg arg :D

[storm^phat]

ah top of the board without playing a game.. :(

[[KIA]EddZ]

Yep, would seem to be just the way you want it. Could of rescheduled our match for last night, we would of played anytime, but you chose default, so you have earnt your place at the top, pld :) Not meant to be flame, but I suppose it would be correct to say that it is a little dig at you guys, would of expected more from you than that.

[pdk|gforce-cl]

Originally posted by [KIA]Moonymaster
PIC OF TABLE

As usual, any errors just slap them here.

Cool 2e place now in low ladder hehe :smokin:
http://members.ams.chello.nl/kremak/gilbert/force.jpg

[krautor]

hmmm did some of the admins investigate the wonid problem with DMV already? Ize told me about it yesterday and posted it in the running score thread.

[scenTiM]

Check it out, also check out your player that Staz mentioned too though ;>

[SuperFLY]

Originally posted by [KIA]Moonymaster
STOP POSTING AND GET BACK TO WORK! :E

and lol @ herman moonster - missed that :)
LOL :D

STOP POSTING AND GET TO WORK editing it :P

n1 Herman ;) :E

[GeNeRaL]

oooo both mods top :)

[*Neo - Dave - eX]

how have we played 4 games????????? afaik we only played 2

[WiCKeD]

m00ny m8.. KIA2 and DHD have agreed on a rematch for the second map..

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

@neo - no u tit :E, MAPS PLD not GAMES

@wick - k m8

[MORT]

moony can you add the FP result please:)

[pdk|angel]

heheheh its cool m8 second place:)
hope we will be on the frist place that would be nice:P

[SuperFLY]

Originally posted by [FP]MORT
moony can you add the FP result please:)
:rolleyes:

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

Updated

[Captain Pugwash]

Originally posted by [KIA]Moonymaster
Updated


Refreshed....and I can't see it :(

[BurNer]

Originally posted by [KIA]Moonymaster
Updated

m8.....Default win for gutpile...... Read Admin forum m8eeeee :D

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

Updated

+ default to gutpile

+ default to mib

[scenTiM]

You sure mib deserve the default? Checked all their details too? Staz said he also saw problems with their wonid/players registered.

Losing a match cause someone changed his CD-Key is petty to say the least.

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

dmv played a geez with a wrong/different wonid

mib had 1 dood whos name changed

[stazine]

rofl.. kiddin?
just last week u guys said that rules aint valid.. and let kia2+kia5 away with a rulebreak that woulda costed both of em their wins/draws...
and now suddenly another rule is valid?
what u guys said last week was that the penaltys for rules won't be active until new rules are up and ready.. so u let kia5 kia2 away with their wins alltho they should loose by default.. and now cos a wonid mistake u give a clan a default loss.. rotflmao it feels abit as if you really really ask for people viewing your league as a big joke?.. or am i mistaken?.. doubt it..

0 tolerance is 0 tolerance.. not 0 tolerance 1 week and the other week not..
ud need some1 like dm stasiz running this league mates.. shame i'm sick and tired of organizing things.. else it might've looked in a diff way :P

(no offence leaguerunners.. i bet ure doing ur best.. might not just be the right thing sometimes)

[stazine]

i demand 0 tolerance all the way, or no 0 tolerance.. ill have no problems with this default loss for DMV if kia2 + kia5 get default losses for their last weeks games... beacuse then i feel 0 tolerance has been followed.. else its a big ****ing joke and totally biased, bet most agree with me on that.

[stazine]

saw a few more games where clans subbed 2 players in the last running score thread... defaults there too plz..

oh and for forthcoming arguments about 'the subbing rule is another thing':
LOL.. total bullshit.. a rule is always valid until it has officially been changed or replaced.. and that hadn't happened 2 weeks ago atleast.. saw some post by tarby a while ago.. but even if he in that post said that rule aint valid.. then the games before will STILL HAVE TO FACE PUNISHMENT..

fs i just get more n more pissed 4 every post i make

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

Originally posted by STAZ!ER*
i demand 0 tolerance all the way, or no 0 tolerance.. ill have no problems with this default loss for DMV if kia2 + kia5 get default losses for their last weeks games

kia2 and kia5 have rearranged there games m8

and their problem was more than 1 sub

your problem (well dmv's) was wrong wonid

which other games had more than 1 sub?

ill sort them out

[scenTiM]

If he used the wrong name you can't be assured it was him.

I think the result should go to DM-V-.

Or the fact that both had a problem, the result should stand.

[krautor]

lol nice tim :>

i know exactly how worse it is to loose a match that way, we lost the game and the title of divivison 2 last phase too that way. but instead of moaning like a little baby we take the bill. it was just our fault, like it is dmvs now.

if you want i send you the demo, where he still has the right nick, he is trapped in one of the many dmv spawn mines. it is the 5. or sixed time he spawned there. he left the game and rejoined it just some seconds before the game finished and does not change his nick back.

but why should we make a big flame war about this? just respect the rules and the decission of an admin.

[stazine]

Originally posted by [KIA]Moonymaster


kia2 and kia5 have rearranged there games m8

and their problem was more than 1 sub

your problem (well dmv's) was wrong wonid

which other games had more than 1 sub?

ill sort them out

1. re-arrange? lol k so no default.. well i agree that in the rules on the 'old' HLCCL page, it didn't say a penalty.. ok so u allowed them to re-arrange.. then why should the case be different with momitsus wonid problem?

2. more than 1 sub or another rulebreak,, whats the diff? there aint any diff... atleast not until there are any rules written down on it?.. a leauge isnt run with penalties decided by the runners of the league.. deciding diff penalties for each rulebreak.. there must be written down rules .. now all u do is decide urself what u feel like on each game.. and thats complete ROFLage... dictatorship,, call it what ya want but its a joke..

3. see point 2

4. which games had many subs etc,, aint my prob really.. just highlighting it.. it's up to the runners of the league to make sure the (non existant atm) rules are followed.. and if ya feel it's too much job atm.. recruit a few more helpers to the league for that job..


see the point? u cant punish clans without having the rules for the punishment written down.. and in the playerDB case there aint any.. the 'old' rules MUST be valid UNTIL the new rules are uploaded.. or this league's structure colapses (xactly what's happening now in a minor scale).. in the old rules it said MAX 1 playersub per game.. and it didn't say anything about the rules for the PLAYER-DB.. ok maybe in some post some rules for playerDB were set.. but if there wasn't a penalty set for some rulebreakings in the old rules.. then there can't be penalties set for playerDB rules either.. then it becomes like this shit.. "hi.. the subbing rule can be broken then clans can rescedule.. but the wonid one (which imo is a far lesser prob than the SUB one) will be default loss if broken..

GOT THA POINT ?..

[stazine]

btw krautor.. i dont give a shit about mib-dmv game in general.. just want all clans to be equally treated, and league is run proper without big gaps.. which atm they (rules) are not .

it aint a flame btw kraut.. it's just an effort to make the league runners extend their sight range.

[silmon]

We made a misstake and we accept that. Skunk/momitsu used the wrong cdkey but it was infact him playin so I didn´t check the scoreboard for his wonid as perhaps I should if that´s
not the admins job. If I´ve noticed it we wouldn´t have played him and that would probably have lead to a mib win since they have a good team...we will never know and have ourselves to blame for it.

What bothers me is that it seems to be that some rules are applicable and some are not. Well how are we supposed to know which are? I´m not saying that I didn´t know that you have to
use the right wonid cause i do. But as staz and others have pointed out on several occasions about the ruling on subbing more than one player doesn´t come with a punishment seems abit unfair to me. Were we unlucky braking the wrong rule which indeed gives you the punishment of a default loss?

I´m not gonna take a cheapshot at mib cause they played well and deserve atleast a draw ;) but i gotta ask wot the rules say about playin a dude under a diffrent name? They played [mib]keldor as [mib]-slic if i haven´t missread the screens and player database, prolly the same guy cause the wonid match but is there a rule for this?

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

Updated

+ KIA2 v HOPWAR results added.

+ PC v JA results added.

I think that's the last of it :)

[.[TT].Voodoo]

Originally posted by [DM]SilverBullet
They played [mib]keldor as [mib]-slic if i haven´t missread the screens and player database, prolly the same guy cause the wonid match but is there a rule for this?

Maybe family or friends?

[SuperFLY]

cheers moonbeam :)

[scenTiM]

Shocking.

For this DM will make sure they pulverise KIA.
thx.

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

Originally posted by scenTiM
Shocking.

For this DM will make sure they pulverise KIA.
thx.

eh?

nothing to with kia

tis the flucking RULES for the 9,000,000,000th time...

[scenTiM]

I was just joking moony my love.

I'm just going to take my anger out on KIA when we play them :>

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

You will have forgotten by then :>

[-TARBY-]

Deary me... :(

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

:>

[scenTiM]

no no no Mr.Moonymaster.
You will feel my wrath...










... probably :[

[-MFC2-Homer77]

"Updated

+ default to gutpile"
Thx m8, Predi only changed to his old wonid again, 'cause he got problems with his new (cd key in use m8)

Thx, now mfc2 with no more chance of getting into next ladder, nice1 m8. Really not much motivation for my team now. Me thinking we will be able to play league until saison ends, 'cause I really respect that hard work some admins do, although I can't understand some decissions. SO Gutpile hope you are happy with your default win now.
Hope espl ag ladder will start soon, too. So we have a chance to reach something as so called "non leet players" (and if it will be only a little chance to raise next ladder out of own power-this would be motivation for most player).

Cya m8
Homer77

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

soz m8

i realise your not happy but .....

1. rules are rules

2. i dont make the rules, infact, i dont even enforce them - i just do what im told most of time.

[-MFC2-Homer77]

Sure, my post was not vs you, I only wanna say that I am "not happy" with that decision. Rules are rules, I know. Never let someone break rules, I agree, too.
But I have to try to get this point for my team, cause they are really unhappy, too - it will be a little hard now to get players together m8. I hope it will work.
BTW Ghosthack (former wonid 6836) now had a new wonid so far i know. But I don't get him at irc at the moment. I will change as soon as I will get his new ID.
But this will be too late for next game. So next default will come m8. But now we only play hl, cause we wanna play hl.

AND cup games will come, too. Maybe they wanna be a bit more lucky for us (and we will "pulverise KIA" ;) <-- joking ^^.)
Moony and some other admins, most of time you do a good job, so thanks for that, 'cause it's really not easy (and many hours you spend on it) .

Cya

[stazine]

thats exactly whats so ****in ****ed ffs moony.. there are no fking rules.. so how the **** can u decide that kia2 and kia5 can replay their games,, and dmv and mfc2 get default? who the **** decided that when there are no rules up?

PLZ ANSWER ME NOW FFS I POSTED 99 TIMES AND DIDNT GET A ****IN ANSWER FROM NO ONE.. tarby,, jugger,, superfly..
suppose those are the 3 who can answer my question.. and plz do it now..

its so fkn fked that kia2 and kia5 can replay their games while other clans get default against them for a ****ING WONID MISTAKE WHICH PENALTY ISNT WRITTEN ANYWHERE?? WTF??

atm it's like this: somebody.. no idea who really,, tarby or jugger??... decides what penaltys go out, based on their own opinions and so on.. WTF? thats not the way to run a league.. npow plz fkn answer this post with some serious feedback and make me understand,, cos this is turning MORE AND MORE AND MORE into a BIG joke.

[McClane]

lol , 12x **** in the last post:hihi:

[McClane]

btw , staz has a fecking good point , tbh i also dont understand why , for sc a draw in mfc2 vs gutpile would also be better:hmph:

[jONor`]

staz, its called a biased league ... nothing u can do about it ...


before u say 'kia haters' step back and look at wat uve done over the passed weeks, and then i think ull realise why 90% of this community think this league is a fkn joke with biased runners ........


scenario 1

kia play a match .. its invalid ... so the 'runners' choose to replay that match ;) just so happened its kia eh ?

scenario 2

ANY OTHER CLAN play a match ... its invalid ... so the 'runners' choose to give a default to the other clan only because they have nothing to do with the clans ..


its ****ing sad, how can u be respected when you run the league in this way ...

[jONor`]

this is the only league i have ever been in where we have this problem week in week out .. even the cs retards can work out how to run a fair league ffs..


some of my m8s who play cs and read this board laff at how its run, its quite embarrasing tbh :(

[Flex]

I like KIA :cheese:

[-MFC2-Homer77]

I have delete ghosthack of mfc2 today, cause he changed his wonid, too.
add him again with his new id 528935
will it be ok to play with him next match or will it cause a default again?

[McClane]

würde wieder nen default geben:(

[Jugger]

Hee hee hee!

I love it when a plan comes together... Now kiddies, scream all you like but we're in control! :P

Our plan is to get all KIA teams in to division 1, just so we can all look down ours noses at you. ;)

Can't wait. We're a step closer now... Mwuhahahahahaha!

Or, could it be, that in all this fuss and shouting you all lost the plot? 'Biased' league? ROFL. Certain rules have been put in place and were repeated to you, again, and again, and again, etc, etc.

The substitution rule was in question and was NEVER decided. (Quote the old rules all you like, they were defunct quite some time back...)

So, in discussion with the admins (some of which aren't KIA. It was risky, but I had to be seen to be fair ;) ) some new rules have been drafted, that we ALL will be following. (YABOO SUX - there goes my plan to take over the world!)

Dicks? I seen lots of them... All 'big and swinging' behind those monitors... But in reality, we have a bunch of whining girls who don't really wanna help, they just like bitchin'.

Well, bitch all you like. The rules have been made, discussed and implemented and will be posted tomorrow.

If you don't like them, there's the door. Go find yourself another league to bitch at.

[scenTiM]

Why don't you all just shut the **** up and let staz/kraut/tarby sort it out over ICQ.

[jONor`]

why dont the organisers of the league unlike [KIA2]Jugger[ADMIN] deal with the problem in a non-biased way (for a change) so a fair decision can be cast..


and jugger **** off plz, as the league has nothing to do with u since u resigned .......

[Switch]

We have scored 777 frags in total and the scores show we only have 502.

However the board has been changed and the original one said we had 777 frags. Care to explain where 275 of our frags went?

[MaVeRiCk]

thats cuz joo r :sailor: admit iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit ;)

[Switch]

NEVER!!!!111`¬

:sailor:

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

Originally posted by Switch
We have scored 777 frags in total and the scores show we only have 502.

However the board has been changed and the original one said we had 777 frags. Care to explain where 275 of our frags went?

TvR have left the league, therefore all their matches are turned into defaults.

I think you played them the first week and so you get a *120 frag / 3 point default win.*

Hope that cleared things up.

[Switch]

okis, that's only fair. I thought we was being robbed that's all :)

[MaVeRiCk]

rofl exactly, me was wondering as well why we had this lil frags :D

but we PLAYED em
so dont those frags count then?

[[KIA]Moonymaster]

No m8, if a clan leaves the league ALL the clans that they have played in the past (in that season) get default wins.

[Switch]

ffs mav r u as thick as u look?

read what moony put ffs

:-------------------))))

[MaVeRiCk]

stfu ffs :sailor: :P