Sony X-Brite SDM-HS74P/S 17"/19" LCD Monitor (Silver)

[JANER]

Connect to analog and digital graphics cards with ease (both cables included).

That is part of the review for the Sony latest tft's
Just want to know with my set up/card Ati 9800 pro256 do I use digital or analog, obviously it's for gaming as 1st priority
ta

Not sure wether to get the 17 or 19"
I use 19" crt at mo which would be equivalent to 17" tft
Don't want to **** up my eyes with the large 19" tft (which would be equivalent to 21" crt)
But the 19" response time is 12 against the 17" which is 16

BTW seen the 17 in action in shop displaying the rolling intro for Farcry and not just saying it blew away the other dozen or so TFT's that were on display!
It was so real lifelike 3d!

ta for any help

[Boris]

usually tfts have a much smaller footprint so you can put them further away from your eyes compensating for the larger viewing area.
General rule of thumb is maximum u can afford.
TFTs are much better for your eyes anyway, as Ive said before surgeon who did my laser eye surgery told me to get one :}

when I got mine it was about 350 I think.
So I really couldnt afford (or want to) spend more on a 19"

[Dilbert]

TFT's dont dry yah skin or eyes out as much as CRT's either.

I had a mate who had very dry skin and his face was just about falling off when he used a CRT, ok with a TFT though.

[JANER]

Ta very much Boris and er Dilbs lol I don't suffer from dry skin
I shall go for the 19" tft if its in stock if not they def have the 17"
price diff is 599 euro for 17 and 756 euro for 19

Boris read stacks of reviews on this and it's def the best out there
the latest x-brite technology is the clincher
you got to see this screen to believe it tbh
I wait til friday cos I know guy who works there mite get a few bob off ;)

[Sfinkta]

Hey Janer!

"Tom's Hardware Guide" reviews the 17" version of this TFT - in their opinion it's generally good but they have some problems with screen reflections and some other things. Here's the link for you to read yerself:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20041123/index.html

[JANER]

Ta Sfinkta m8 :)
Read the review and by far that is the worse, on one hand he is unhappy but yet on the other he says how good it is lol
I will drop into shop tommorow and try and test the reflective thing he was on about, think it's just getting the yes used to it and as I said b4 in the shop there was over a dozen tft's with the Farcry rolling intro and this one was head and shoulders above the rest.

19" I may go for anyway :D

[JANER]

yes above should be eyes lol

[Badger]

For multimedia and gaming use, the Sony monitor is not the best choice

Probably not a good one for you.

The response times were really high for such an expensive monitor :|

[JANER]

Ya why I might go for the 19" version
that is allegedly 12

[JANER]

response time that is 12 lol
damn no edit!

[Badger]

You should completely ignore the manufacturers spec when it comes to response times.
Like with the 17" monitor that is 16ms only for the tiniest of transitions, I doubt the 19" will be any better.

Personally im gonna be buying the Samsung 172x after christmas. Got quite good reviews and looks cool. :D

[JANER]

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/hardware/monitors/0,39007117,39075100p,00.htm?

Who's Afraid Of Ghosts? Not Anymore...
Four words: Bright, sharp, vibrant and fast. With a luminance of 400cd/m2, the SDM-HS94P is as bright as LCDs can get. Depending on your preferences, the monitor comes with three preset lighting levels and a user-definable setting. It's not hard to see how the extra lighting enhances picture quality, literally. With a high contrast ratio of 500:1 and an ultra-fast response time of 12ms, this monitor blazed through our games and DVD tests. Doom 3 looked stunning, with even the minutest of details visible at 1,280 x 1,024 resolution, while the fast response time completely eliminated the ghosting effect commonly associated with rapid image movement.


Depends on the review u read I guess, that Samsung I could'nt fiind here in Dublin too.

[JANER]

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You'll be the envy of every gadget geek on the block with Sony's SDM-HS94P on your desktop. Not only does it have a glamorous frame, but its technology offers outstanding graphics. Connect to analog and digital graphics cards with ease (both cables included). A curvy stand offers 90 degrees of swivel, while the generous 19-inch display provides 1,280 x 1,024 native resolution and a 500:1 contrast ratio, so you'll be in good hands while you're working away on spreadsheets or chopping evildoers in your favorite game.

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5 out of 5 stars Outstanding monitor, November 10, 2004

Reviewer: Shawn (Idaho) - See all my reviews
I was a little skeptical about this monitor after reading a few certain reviews. I got it home, turned it on and was amazed. I switched from an old 17" CRT so it was quite a difference. I also use 17" LCDs from Samsung and Viewsonic all day everyday at work. This Sony puts them to shame easily. I wanted to compare the HS94P to the Samsung 193P but no stores had any of the Samsungs. The brightness on this monitor is just to much. But thats easily adjustable without even going into the OSD. One button switches it between high, mid, low and user. With the lights off in the room I have to use it on low and with lights on I use mid. If I was in a work environment that was very lit up I might have to use high. Just some things I've noticed that discouraged me when reading reviews...

The appearance is NOT mirror like at all. It actually looks quite a bit different than the 17" versions which seem to have a glossy bezel.

The monitor does pivot side to side but it doesn't look like it does. The bottom has a ring that rotates.

I've noticed at least a few people saying the blacks are not true enough. For me they are just fine, doesn't bother me one bit. You can tell a difference between a Samsung and a Sony with blacks if they are side by side, otherwise I would never notice.

[JANER]

l0l did'nt mean to copy and paste that much
hehe

[mid_gen]

I wouldn't just go on what they look like in the shop. They always have shit settings and all look pants. Make sure you have a tweak of the settings.

I wouldn't worry about brightness, I've got one of the Hitachi 16ms 17" TFTs, can't remember the ANSI lumens, think it's either 350 or 400. Tbh it's uncomfortable with the brightness at 100%, I usually set it down to 50%.

[Sfinkta]

I'm wondering whether or not to get to a flat screen myself, Janer, so could you post here what you think of it while playing HL2/Doom3 etc? Thx :)

[Badger]

Janer : http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=121957&cks=PRL
:D

[JANER]

Why are you picking Samsungs older model though?
Was that not superseded by this model
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=300904&view=detailed

and checking bot the stats the newere model is slightly more imnpressive and it won Tom's award etc
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20041123/17_lcd-17.html

My head hurts trying to make up my mind, I saw the Sony with my very own eyes and it DID stand out but having said that I havn't seen the Samsung

;]

[JANER]

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=301399&view=detailed

donno what the diff is with this one 710T to 710N

[JANER]

mmm it was dvi
do I need that :P
Suppose I do
so looks like the 710T over the 710N if I pick Samsung
though Sony still tempts meh!!!!

[Badger]

The T has DVI which is very very important imo. I'd never use analog.
As far as i'm aware the 17x series are better than the 710s.
It looks a lot nicer aswell and got a good review from tomshardware.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20040413/lcd-05.html

They most likely all have the same panel inside anyway.

[Badger]

Hmm, after reading some more of the reviews on tomshardware it seems the 710T is slightly newer, but it doesnt look nearly as nice (and isnt as thin) as the 172X. Its also more expensive. So i'd still rather get the 172X. But its upto you ofcourse :D

[JANER]

I took some of your advice, re-read Tom's review on the Sonty went down to shop and could see what he was on about (mirror effect)
So Went round various shops and ordered the 710T
Could have got it from Klompetts but paid a little xtra as shop is 5 mins from me and I am wary about exchanging things online (electrical etc)

Ta for everybodies help and Badger one last thing...............










C'mon the Gooners 2nite :wave:

[Badger]

I expect a full review of that monitor after you have used it a bit. Seemed that one and the 172X are exactly the same price on komplett uk.

Indeed.
Hope Sol is gonna play, think we definately need him. Cygans a bit useless.

[JANER]

Badger have the 2 mons (yours and 710T) and there are a fair few diffs aimed at the newer mdl.

yours
Product Description Samsung SyncMaster 172 X - flat panel display - TFT - 17"
Device Type Flat panel display / TFT active matrix
Colour Silver
Dimensions (WxDxH) 36.2 cm x 19.4 cm x 36.3 cm
Weight 3.75 kg
Diagonal Size 17"
Viewable Size 17"
Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch 0.294 mm
Max Resolution 1280 x 1024 / 75 Hz
Colour support Up to 16.2 million colors
Digital Video Standard Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Interface DVI, VGA (HD-15)
Compliant Standards Plug and Play, DDC-2B, EPA Energy Star, NUTEK, TCO '99, VESA DPMS
Power AC 110/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Power Consumption Operational 40 Watt


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General
Display Type Flat panel display / TFT active matrix
Width 36.2 cm
Depth 19.4 cm
Height 36.3 cm
Weight 3.75 kg
Enclosure Colour Silver
Compatibility PC, Mac
Display
Diagonal Size 17"
Viewable Size 17"
Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch 0.294 mm
Max Resolution 1280 x 1024 / 75 Hz
Colour support Up to 16.2 million colors
Max Sync Rate (V x H) 75 Hz x 80 kHz
Video Bandwidth 135 MHz
Response Time 12 ms
Controls / Adjustments Brightness, contrast, H/V position, colour temperature
Interface DVI, VGA (HD-15)
Features MagicBright
Image
Image Brightness 270 cd/m2
Image Contrast Ratio 500:1
Image Max H-View Angle 160
Image Max V-View Angle 140
Video Input
Analogue video Signal RGB
Digital Video Standard Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Expansion / Connectivity
Interfaces 1 x VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15)
1 x DVI-D - 24 pin digital DVI
Miscellaneous
Features Wall mountable
Compliant Standards Plug and Play, DDC-2B, EPA Energy Star, NUTEK, TCO '99, VESA DPMS
Flat Panel Mount Interface 75 x 75 mm
Cables Included 1 x VGA cable
Power
Form Factor Internal
Voltage Required AC 110/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Power Consumption Operational 40 Watt
Power Consumption Stand by / Sleep 2 Watt
Environmental Parameters
Min Operating Temperature 10 °C
Max Operating Temperature 40 °C
Humidity Range Operating 10 - 80%

710T

Product Description Samsung SyncMaster 710 T - flat panel display - TFT - 17"
Device Type Flat panel display / TFT active matrix
Colour Silver
Dimensions (WxDxH) 37 cm x 19.1 cm x 40.7 cm
Weight 5.8 kg
Diagonal Size 17"
Viewable Size 17"
Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch 0.264 mm
Max Resolution 1280 x 1024 / 75 Hz
Colour support Up to 16.2 million colors
Digital Video Standard Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Interface DVI, VGA (HD-15)
Compliant Standards Plug and Play, TCO '03, DDC-2B
Power Consumption Operational 34 Watt
Manufacturer Warranty 3 years warranty


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General
Display Type Flat panel display / TFT active matrix
Width 37 cm
Depth 19.1 cm
Height 40.7 cm
Weight 5.8 kg
Enclosure Colour Silver
Compatibility PC
Display
Diagonal Size 17"
Viewable Size 17"
Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch 0.264 mm
Max Resolution 1280 x 1024 / 75 Hz
Colour support Up to 16.2 million colors
Max Sync Rate (V x H) 75 Hz x 81 kHz
Video Bandwidth 140 MHz
Response Time 12 ms
Interface DVI, VGA (HD-15)
Features Rotating screen, MagicBright, MagicTune
Image
Image Brightness 300 cd/m2
Image Contrast Ratio 600:1
Image Max H-View Angle 160
Image Max V-View Angle 160
Video Input
Analogue video Signal RGB
Digital Video Standard Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Expansion / Connectivity
Interfaces 1 x VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15)
1 x DVI-D - 24 pin digital DVI
Miscellaneous
Features Wall mountable
Compliant Standards Plug and Play, TCO '03, DDC-2B
Flat Panel Mount Interface 100 x 100 mm
Power
Form Factor Internal
Power Consumption Operational 34 Watt
Manufacturer Warranty
Service & Support 3 years warranty
Service & Support Details Limited warranty - parts and labour - 3 years
Limited warranty - backlight - 3 years

[Badger]

172X
Image Brightness 270 cd/m2
Image Contrast Ratio 500:1
Image Max H-View Angle 160
Image Max V-View Angle 140

710T
Image Brightness 300 cd/m2
Image Contrast Ratio 600:1
Image Max H-View Angle 160
Image Max V-View Angle 160

They seem to be the main differences. Doubt it'd have that much effect though.

[JANER]

Badger reading on another site were the Sony handles only 60 with dvi and 75 anologue
Not sure about the Samsung yet but what is the pros and cons using analogue or Dvi cables besides the capping the fps at diff rates? (esp if V-sync is on)
I also heard that tft and crt hz are diff

Would like at least 75 tbh

[Boris]

DVI cables means much better quality.Theres no contest to be honest.
Its useful having both tho because you can have 2 pcs plugged into one monitor and switch between them (ideal if u have a printer/internet connection server)

[JANER]

K, ta Boris
bit like the old RGB/scart cables on the playstations many moons ago eh
hehe

[JANER]

I wnat to know more about hz too,
read this and it put my mind to rest a bit as I was worried about a TFT being limited to 60hz
I mean 60hz on a crt hurts my eyes

"Refresh rate doesn't mean anything on an LCD panel. Each pixel on a TFT LCD panel is driven statically regradless of the refresh rate"

[JANER]

Read this too
Any poing getting 12ms monitor
Well at 16 ms the monitor can do up to 62.5 fps. (1000/16). At 12 ms it can do 83.3... fps. At 25 ms it can do 40 fps. Now if you brain can't tell the difference beyond 60 fps is there any reason to get a 12 ms monitor?
reply
yes because you will get less blur and a faster reaction time. in the tn+film monitors response time is very decivieng (cant spell). the faster the framrate the smoother it will look

[JANER]

Is this relevant to gamers?
" You will also notice that, unlike CRTs, manufactuers of LCD monitors recommend using a lower refresh rate ; 60 or 70 Hz; The reason for lower refresh rates in LCDs is because the liquid crystal molecules damper flicker and higher refresh rates are not as important."

[mid_gen]

LCDs don't flicker. CRTs only flicker because you have a electron gun scanning up and down the screen 60 times a second. All an LCD does it switch pixels on and off, no scanning required.

You won't get > 60fps with vsync on with an LCD. I've got used to VSYNC off now, and run at 100fps. You can get higher if you use an analogue connection, but the quality and alignment improvements on DVI far outweigh the refresh.

[JANER]

Thanks for that informative reply, the Samsung fell thru as he said today it would'nt be in til Moonday so got my money back.....think I will go for the Sony 19" that had 12ms that I mentioned earlier in the thread

[Badger]

Thats a very expensive few days, hehe.
The Sony is £200 more expensive than the samsung.
That 19" sony one does look nice though :D

[JANER]

Without being er boastful money doesn't come into it m8
When it comes to electronics I always go that bit futher, also it's my hobby
I like the best.....I am a poor mans Dalehead tbh
:shy:

[JANER]

Its only 200 euro dearer btw
Samsung was 540 euro
I can get the Sony for 739 euro
so 200 euro is about140/145 sterling?

[Badger]

hehe, fair enough.
The samsung is £70 more expensive in ireland, but the sony is only £20 more (than england). So the sony one definately works out better value :D

Wish I could afford to splash out on stuff like that.
Im gonna be scraping the £300 for my tft monitor. But I am just a pikey student on placement atm. When I graduate I can throw my money away, woot (first thing on a nice car!:D)

[JANER]

Abandoned the Sony idea as over the weekend (fri and sat) saw the Sony in action( inclduing Lord of the Rings) in diff shops and the reflection IS a problem.
So ordered the Samsung from Kompletts, due Wedenday-ish :)